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		<title>By: zondaR</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>zondaR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you define at what level do artificial flavors, sodium benzoate, HFCS(high fructose corn syrup) become bad?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There have been many debates on HFCS vs cane sugar and the fact remains that the calorific value of both is still the same. let me also point out that &quot;real sugar&quot; also goes through processing to become granulated sugar from sugar beets or sugarcane. Unless you are getting your sugar from squeezing an orange or eating a banana, any other sugar (including cane sugar, HFCS) would have undergone &quot;considerable&quot; processing to reach you. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Preservatives like Sodium Benzoate and sorbates  have been added to jams, jellies in almost the same levels as in colas and never have people pointed fingers at those products. The levels of preservatives are only to prevent growth of microorganisms&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I agree that larger bottle sizes and cheaper sodas do encourage a consumer to buy them instead of healthier options like water or juices, I feel that educating a consumer goes a longer way in dealing with health issues. and i feel pepsi has taken that step by removing full calorie sodas from schools and by committing themselves to reducing calories and salt in their portfolio. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the end, I feel the onus lies on the consumer. Education and awareness go a long way in influencing people what to consume rather than curbing the availability of options. We will consume sodas if we want to regardless of how bad people say they are or how much government tries to limit their sales. Its because we love doing what we want and only awareness and education and change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define at what level do artificial flavors, sodium benzoate, HFCS(high fructose corn syrup) become bad?  </p>
<p>There have been many debates on HFCS vs cane sugar and the fact remains that the calorific value of both is still the same. let me also point out that &#8220;real sugar&#8221; also goes through processing to become granulated sugar from sugar beets or sugarcane. Unless you are getting your sugar from squeezing an orange or eating a banana, any other sugar (including cane sugar, HFCS) would have undergone &#8220;considerable&#8221; processing to reach you. </p>
<p>Preservatives like Sodium Benzoate and sorbates  have been added to jams, jellies in almost the same levels as in colas and never have people pointed fingers at those products. The levels of preservatives are only to prevent growth of microorganisms</p>
<p>While I agree that larger bottle sizes and cheaper sodas do encourage a consumer to buy them instead of healthier options like water or juices, I feel that educating a consumer goes a longer way in dealing with health issues. and i feel pepsi has taken that step by removing full calorie sodas from schools and by committing themselves to reducing calories and salt in their portfolio. </p>
<p>In the end, I feel the onus lies on the consumer. Education and awareness go a long way in influencing people what to consume rather than curbing the availability of options. We will consume sodas if we want to regardless of how bad people say they are or how much government tries to limit their sales. Its because we love doing what we want and only awareness and education and change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pellegrom</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pellegrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Passerby. Just wanted to let you know that a post went up last night in response to your question: &lt;a href=&quot;http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/responses-to-questions-on-microbial-stability-acidity-and-phosphorus-content-in-carbonated-beverages/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/r...&lt;/a&gt; Thanks for reading Food Frontiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Passerby. Just wanted to let you know that a post went up last night in response to your question: <a href="http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/responses-to-questions-on-microbial-stability-acidity-and-phosphorus-content-in-carbonated-beverages/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/r.." rel="nofollow">http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/r..</a>. Thanks for reading Food Frontiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Food Frontiers Blog &#187; Responses to Questions on Microbial Stability, Acidity, and Phosphorus Content in Carbonated Beverages</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Food Frontiers Blog &#187; Responses to Questions on Microbial Stability, Acidity, and Phosphorus Content in Carbonated Beverages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We are seeing some good questions in the comments section and I’ve shared some with our R&amp;D team. Commenter @Passerby asked the following question: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Passerby</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, you do that, Pele</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, you do that, Pele</p>
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		<title>By: HealthySkeptic</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>HealthySkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) How can any scientist whose livelihood depends on the success and profitability of his or her employer really act as a scientist in terms of being impartial, open, and honest if those behaviors would or could hurt his or her employer?  I don&#039;t think they can, at least not all of the time.  And the trouble is that other scientists and the public can&#039;t know when they can or can&#039;t, are or aren&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) How can Pepsico allow its scientists to be open and honest and impartial or freely disclose facts without qualification or shading without risking its business success and unknown present and future legal liability?  I don&#039;t think it can.  Don&#039;t Pepsico&#039;s food scientists have to sign nondisclosure agreements, for starters?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) There is no question but that private industry can do much if not most of the real science in its area.  But Pepsico&#039;s interests are not with discovering things that may help make food healthier.  Its interests are in developing products that people will want to buy.  If it can *also* make its products healthier such that it will help sell the products, fine.  But Pepsico is not going to, say, increase its costs for product X by Y% just to make it a bit healthier knowing that it won&#039;t be able to recover those costs in the marketplace *and* that it&#039;s competitors are not going to handicap themselves in such a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) How can any scientist whose livelihood depends on the success and profitability of his or her employer really act as a scientist in terms of being impartial, open, and honest if those behaviors would or could hurt his or her employer?  I don&#39;t think they can, at least not all of the time.  And the trouble is that other scientists and the public can&#39;t know when they can or can&#39;t, are or aren&#39;t.</p>
<p>2) How can Pepsico allow its scientists to be open and honest and impartial or freely disclose facts without qualification or shading without risking its business success and unknown present and future legal liability?  I don&#39;t think it can.  Don&#39;t Pepsico&#39;s food scientists have to sign nondisclosure agreements, for starters?</p>
<p>3) There is no question but that private industry can do much if not most of the real science in its area.  But Pepsico&#39;s interests are not with discovering things that may help make food healthier.  Its interests are in developing products that people will want to buy.  If it can *also* make its products healthier such that it will help sell the products, fine.  But Pepsico is not going to, say, increase its costs for product X by Y% just to make it a bit healthier knowing that it won&#39;t be able to recover those costs in the marketplace *and* that it&#39;s competitors are not going to handicap themselves in such a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Vintermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vintermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is some difference here. Tobacco companies were and are dependent on harming their customers - how much of their business would go away if all harmful smoking disappeared tomorrow? Close to 100% (there might possibly be people who smoke a pack per year, or little enough that the harmful effect aren&#039;t meaningfully measurable).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now if it was an alcohol company? I guess 80%. Alcohol consumption follows a 20-80 distribution, with 20% of the consumers using about 80% of the product. All efforts to &quot;smooth out&quot; the curve have failed. the more casual drinkers drink, the more heavy drinkers drink, this is remarkably consistent across times and cultures.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it is a food company. Their products aren&#039;t as inherently harmful as tobacco, and they don&#039;t have the severe network effects that alcohol has (though they do have some). A big difference from the latter two is that they have actual scientists employed in addition to PR people. If these scientists were independent - if they could actually speak their mind on this blog, on any topic, without fear of repercussions - then it would be worthwhile.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I must agree with Greg Laden in the above piece: At present, there appears no indication that this is the case. The PR team appears to be in charge here. That really won&#039;t work, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is some difference here. Tobacco companies were and are dependent on harming their customers &#8211; how much of their business would go away if all harmful smoking disappeared tomorrow? Close to 100% (there might possibly be people who smoke a pack per year, or little enough that the harmful effect aren&#39;t meaningfully measurable).</p>
<p>Now if it was an alcohol company? I guess 80%. Alcohol consumption follows a 20-80 distribution, with 20% of the consumers using about 80% of the product. All efforts to &#8220;smooth out&#8221; the curve have failed. the more casual drinkers drink, the more heavy drinkers drink, this is remarkably consistent across times and cultures.</p>
<p>But it is a food company. Their products aren&#39;t as inherently harmful as tobacco, and they don&#39;t have the severe network effects that alcohol has (though they do have some). A big difference from the latter two is that they have actual scientists employed in addition to PR people. If these scientists were independent &#8211; if they could actually speak their mind on this blog, on any topic, without fear of repercussions &#8211; then it would be worthwhile.</p>
<p>However, I must agree with Greg Laden in the above piece: At present, there appears no indication that this is the case. The PR team appears to be in charge here. That really won&#39;t work, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Pteryxx</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Pteryxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do appreciate the replies I&#039;m seeing to myself and to others.  I don&#039;t envy you the difficulty of the task your company has set itself, but I look forward to seeing what this avenue of discussion can produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do appreciate the replies I&#39;m seeing to myself and to others.  I don&#39;t envy you the difficulty of the task your company has set itself, but I look forward to seeing what this avenue of discussion can produce.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pellegrom</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pellegrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pteryxx – Thanks for visiting Food Frontiers. As you can likely see, our goal is to participate in the discussion, accept feedback and do our best to respond to substantively. In fact, our Chief Scientific Officer Mehmood Khan talks about this in his post today: &lt;a href=&quot;http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/starting-the-conversation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/s...&lt;/a&gt;. We have built a strong R&amp;D team and are engaging with scientific leaders across sectors. Our wish to be engaged in the dialogue starts at the very top - you note in your post that our CEO was quoted in a Robert Wood Johnson and Trust for America’s Health report on obesity. Derek Yach actually links to that report in his post above. We have already gotten some good comments and will take note of the topics for future posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pteryxx – Thanks for visiting Food Frontiers. As you can likely see, our goal is to participate in the discussion, accept feedback and do our best to respond to substantively. In fact, our Chief Scientific Officer Mehmood Khan talks about this in his post today: <a href="http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/starting-the-conversation/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/s.." rel="nofollow">http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/s..</a>.. We have built a strong R&#038;D team and are engaging with scientific leaders across sectors. Our wish to be engaged in the dialogue starts at the very top &#8211; you note in your post that our CEO was quoted in a Robert Wood Johnson and Trust for America’s Health report on obesity. Derek Yach actually links to that report in his post above. We have already gotten some good comments and will take note of the topics for future posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pellegrom</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pellegrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input, you raise some valid points. I am going to take your question on acidity in carbonated beverages to our R&amp;D team and get back to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input, you raise some valid points. I am going to take your question on acidity in carbonated beverages to our R&#038;D team and get back to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pellegrom</title>
		<link>http://foodfrontiers.pepsicoblogs.com/2010/07/the-critical-role-of-the-food-industry-in-the-obesity-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pellegrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Physicsdude: We appreciate your comment and the chance to respond. However, we think we are talking as if there is something PepsiCo can do – the very theme of the post is that public-private partnerships are the best solution to solving complicated issues and therefore industry has a large role to play. In fact, the 3rd party report cited in the post includes input from our CEO. In addition, our product portfolio is changing – to your point on the size of Pepsi bottles, in the U.S., we will display total calorie counts on the front of all beverage containers up to and including 20-ounce packages, and it will label multi-serve packaging using a 12-ounce serving (as well as number of servings per package) for all beverages by 2012. A variety of our beverages – G2, Trop50, Sobe all use an all-natural sweetener we developed called PureVia to reduce sugar. And glad to hear you like Pepsi Natural; hope you find it more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Physicsdude: We appreciate your comment and the chance to respond. However, we think we are talking as if there is something PepsiCo can do – the very theme of the post is that public-private partnerships are the best solution to solving complicated issues and therefore industry has a large role to play. In fact, the 3rd party report cited in the post includes input from our CEO. In addition, our product portfolio is changing – to your point on the size of Pepsi bottles, in the U.S., we will display total calorie counts on the front of all beverage containers up to and including 20-ounce packages, and it will label multi-serve packaging using a 12-ounce serving (as well as number of servings per package) for all beverages by 2012. A variety of our beverages – G2, Trop50, Sobe all use an all-natural sweetener we developed called PureVia to reduce sugar. And glad to hear you like Pepsi Natural; hope you find it more often.</p>
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